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427501 No.37552  
Let's get this thread going again.

Do you learn or play any musical instruments? Are you interested in starting?

Check in with comments about your progress, questions, or interests!
>> No.37554  
I play bass, guitar, piano and drums.
It would be interesting if we could get some cover going together.
>> No.37555  
I fumble around on piano. I'd like to learn bass sometime too.
>> No.37558  
I was learning piano some, but I haven't played in months. More interested in writing music than performing, but I'll probably pick it up again some time.

P.S. Please refrain from minimodding, thanks.
>> No.37559  
I have a mandolin I just started to learn playing. I haven't been able to find many interestning tabs to train with, though. Not that I could actually play them or anything (;´Д`)。
>> No.37562  
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Oh, I had forgotten about this thread.

Nothing has changed much since I posted in the beginning of the previous thread.

Might make one scream "just stop it!": guitar.
Somewhat better: piano and vocal.
Respectable: flute and saxomophone.

I'd like to try learning the Cello, but I don't have an access to one.
>> No.37564  
I've been wanting to learn how to play on the piano, but I can't afford any decent keyboards.
If you guys know any decent, cheap keyboards please give me some recommendations.
>> No.37566  

Try a local thrift store for an electronic keyboard. I've yet to visit two different thrift stores and not see one.
A pawn shop would be the second place to check.

Or if you have money, amazon should have a decent one.
>> No.37569  
I have an old, beat-up piano at my house, and I'd like to learn how to play it.
What's the common approach? Barring taking classes, going outside, et cetera.
>> No.37570  
In when I was younger I was considered the best guitarist in highschool. I didn't think I was, I just happened to play really really fast and I knew how to write songs that weren't the same shitty power chords over and over; that impressed a lot of people somehow. During that time I had gigs often and I would get offered parts in bands but I was too much of a dumbfuck to ever follow up. I regret it too as one of them got popular enough to make a living off of playing music just because I didn't want to be in a band that wasn't my style (emo/alternative rock-ish; it was trendy at the time). The band I stayed in didn't work out even though I enjoyed the music we made.

I quit playing music shortly after starting college (I went into a depression and turned into neckbeard supreme)but I am starting to think that I should get back into it as I enjoyed writing and playing music for its own sake. I am thinking that maybe I should try different instruments other than guitar to get me back on the horse like piano or getting into brass/woodwind. I have burned all of my social bridges so this is only for fun but it is a good hobby and I think it will help me get off of the PC and video games. Should I go back to guitar, try a brass/woodwind, or just erase everything I know and go to piano? Sorry about the /blog/
>> No.37571  
Hey, are you me? Well, difference is I played bass instead, with the guitar being a side thing.

But it really sucks for me, 'cause I didn't even bring my guitar with me when I went to study abroad, thinking I should get rid of playing music for good. Turns out it was a big mistake. Now I'm too much of a poorfag and social retard to go out and buy a new one. Which sucks, 'cause I've been getting into writing music again lately. I've been really passionate lately about writing Touhou arranges...

For your case, though, I think you're the only one that can answer your question. If you enjoy playing guitar, why not pick it up again? And if you're interested in learning new instruments, why limit yourself to one? It's a hobby, anyway, just take it easy and pick up the one you're most interested in, and the one you enjoy the most. The point is, just do what feels right for you. Personally I'd recommend piano, though. I'd noticed all of the best artists I listened to, the ones that differentiates themselves from the rest, at least plays piano if not as their main instruments, so I reckon it's really helpful in writing music.

>> No.37572  
I just started playing the keys recently.

I wish my parents had forced me to take lessons when I was younger, even after playing keys for only a couple of months, music makes so much more sense to me.
>> No.37573  
I've been learning Piano for a little more than a year. I can play few songs, but it takes me way too long to learn new ones. I wish I could sight read, but that seems like a lost cause.
>> No.37580  
I play the guitar, and I'm... all right, I guess.
I was quite good at the piano some years ago, but I stopped playing and completely forgot how to both play and read notation.


I learnt to do so by imitating tutorials on Youtube, and eventually learning to read notation. It took some time, but I practiced a lot. Make sure to play songs you know well by heart.
>> No.37582  
So many posts in this thread. It's quite hard to believe that it was me and couple other anons who posted in the (wiped) collab/recording thread.
Is it because other anons don't have any way of recording or something?
>> No.37583  
I would also add step the hell out of your comfort zone and try to play pieces that are hard and challenging (not impossible though!) for you. Keep perfecting it and you'll see serious improvement that way.

1. No means to record stuff.
2. I can't even play half of the stuff I wrote.
>> No.37586  
My only recording device is the mic on my headset. Also, I'm cock at playing the only instrument I own; not that it stops me from trying.
>> No.37589  
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Still the same as always. Been making music for almost 4 years now, but still only composing (in FL Studio), not playing. Have a USB Keyboard, a shitty guitar and now also a broken bass guitar (externally fine, but apparently you get random noise if you connect it to an amplifier. No idea - I have neither an amplifier nor the cables to connect it), but unable to play halfway decently on any of them. Also still unable to read notes at any decent speed.

Would like to be able to play, but practicing is boring and it'd take ages to be any good.
>> No.37590  
It's much like visual novel project threads. Lots of people interested and having tons of idea for the BEST VN EVER, but nobody is ever willing to actually do anything.
>> No.37591  
I want to learn to play piano, but i dont know where and how to start, and I don't want to take classes either.
>> No.37594  
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No method of recording other than shitty built-in mac microphone and Garage Band. I'm also not any good at playing the songs, even if I know them. It's just too sloppy. And I'm too much of a coward to play with amp, because I'm scared that I'll offend someone.
I wish I knew how to sing ;_;

Does anyone have any tips on how to play more tightly? I feel like such a slob sometimes.
>> No.37595  

Ironically, recording yourself playing is the best way, I've found, to tighten up your playing. When I started out playing bass I was all over the place, but I forced myself to record from really early on to get used to playing with timing and dynamics. Same as with guitar, I thought I was a pretty badass shred machine, but it turns out I couldn't even play chords in time or control my open strings from ringing out until I started recording and listeening to myself critically.

Also, get used to singing while you play even if you can't sing well. It's the best way to reinforce rhythmic phrasing in your head, as well as to drill into your mind the association between the intervals, melody, and harmony in the music and the position of your fingers on the fretboard. Especially if you like playing guitar solos.
>> No.37596  
I'm a little decent on the violin, though my opinion might be skewed in one direction or the other from having played in a high school where most of my peers started playing around when they were five. I also like to do things on the piano, guitar, and harmonica, but I don't have the motivation to practice much so I'm pretty awful.

For me it was partially self esteem issues; I'm really not confident when it comes judging my musical skill, and I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case for some other people on here. Also, as >>37590 implied, most of us are too lazy to really do anything.
>> No.37685  

Piano is one of the harder instruments to learn without lessons. It's possible to pick it up without having them, assuming you can read music at least.
>> No.37687  
Guess I'll man up and apply for some classes then.
>> No.37713  

Today I tried playing with the song in the background, and I found that that helped a lot. Turns out that I've been playing this incorrectly for months! Also discovered that the tabber had failed. Disappoint.
>> No.37799  

Not that I particularly have anything against guitar tab, but I find it much harder to commit a song to memory using tab since it means you end up relying too much on the visual location on the notes and not enough on the intervals and chord progression.

Also because my hands are on the smaller side, I tend to prefer to figure out my own fingerings for things.

Anyway that's just an aside though, congratulations on your improvement. It's always nice to receive a tangible Level Up when you're practising an instrument.
>> No.38029  
Ibanez Model 2404

Steinberger Spirit XZ-2/GU-4R

Thoughts? Opinions? I think the Ibanez has more character, but I imagine the Steinberger is easier to wield. The SSH configuration on the Steinberger guitar doesn't thrill me but I am also not sure about the EB-3 bass sound that I expect out of the Ibanez, so regarding pickups it's six of one and half a dozen of the other.
>> No.38031  
Mmm, those are some delicious looking instruments. I've never had any experience with a double neck guitar, and I know nearly nothing about bass guitar pickups, so I don't think I can help in choosing one of them, but I'm digging that finish on the Ibanez.
>> No.38037  

Oh man, if we were talking separate guitars and basses I'd want the SG guitar and the steiny bass.

Since that's not an option, I'd say go for the steiny, purely because I hate the sound of a mudbucker pickup in a bass - I like my beesu to growl, not thump. Also, headless guitars are the coolest. Paul Masvidal plays one and he's pretty much the coolest motherfucker around.
>> No.38038  
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I have no understanding of music theory whatsoever, so I'm not even sure what interval means (space between notes?). Do you read sheet music, or do you do it by ear? My guitar teacher is really fond of picking things by ear, but it's so hard, and I feel practically tone deaf oftentimes.

Thank you! It's also always nice to be applauded.


The Ibanez looks nice, I'd go for that.
>> No.38040  

Yeah, the interval is the "distance" between two notes, so you can count it off on your guitar fretboard in terms of "tones"/"steps", but as you start to learn a little more about music theory it might become easier to think of "tones"/"steps"/"frets" in terms of thirds, fifths, major, minor etc.

Like anything with music, you can lean to pick out intervals, then chords, then songs by ear. I started by learning a few simple guitar solos (because it's easiest to hear single notes) from pop or rock songs, this will help you to understand that "Oh, this sound I'm hearing in my head corresponds to this interval, which corresponds to this shape on the guitar".
>> No.38045  

I can hear if I'm playing something wrong, and I can pick out some generic single-note riffs by experimenting. Good thing the Japanese like their pentatonic blues H scales. Makes it so much easier. Come to think of it, I'm not too horrible at judging that kind of stuff. Guess it pays to play three songs very often.
>> No.39754  
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It's time to check in again! How is everyone doing with their instruments? Have you all been practising hard and improving? Did any of the users who were considering learning an instrument end up starting?

As for me, I've been working hard on learning three-finger technique for the right hand on bass. It's forced me to really go back to basics and concentrate hard on timing, accents, etc. There's a bit of a mental challenge to overcome too, since most music usually happens in powers of two rather than three, but it's enjoyable nonetheless.

I've also been slowly and painfully trying to learn how to sing vocal harmony / backing vocals. This usually involves standing next to a piano and playing the harmony and lead, while trying to sing the harmony. Again, it's a bit of a stumbling block since when singing along to music my brain defaults to unison and it's kinda hard to try and sing something that's not the lead.

Then I guess in a few months years time, my ultimate goal will be to combine the two elements and sing harmony while playing bass. But for now, baby steps.
>> No.39757  
I haven't been practicing at all. Somehow it's been very hectic, and although I wanted to learn enough to at least be able play something or other with fellow bun's, I probably won't resume practice for another month.

By then I expect to have moved to a different apartment and have some half-decent recording equipment to further motivate me.
>> No.39765  
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I've been practicing on playing blues, and I'm getting a little better, but I prefer to practice songs, even though I probably shouldn't. Been thinking of trying to learn Shikaku Kakumei by Soutaiseiriron. That's a really nice song.

Do you guys have any particular genres that you enjoy playing? Playing blues is fun and all, but I both feel like it's going to take me years to be any good at it, and also that I should not move onto anything else until that point. However, that leaves me stuck. Do I just need to practice more?
>> No.39777  
I'm not sure of the level of play you are approaching this from, but unless you are crunching some serious theory and digging really deep into underlying technique, playing the blues is about as simple as it gets. Learn the minor pentatonic scale, bend the third note, suddenly blues. Not enough spice? Flourish your leads with a couple major embellishments or resolutions, suddenly you're a genius.

But, if this is your introduction to "lead" guitar, then yes - get ready for years and years of self-hatred with no end in sight.
>> No.39786  

In addition to what this anon said, blues improvisation is a great way to improve your bending and vibrato. The importance of these things for lead guitar playing can't really be overstated.
>> No.39787  

I'm a couple of months into it, but I'm really bad at practicing, so I just practice licks and scales about every other day. What do you mean by resolutions and embellishments? Do you mean just going overboard with the showiness?

I'm naturally not really a showy person when it comes to playing the guitar, so improvising the blues might not be the best idea for me. It's a lot of fun, though, and it can sound really great.


So I've noticed! I haven't gone into the vibrato too much, but my bending has improved a lot. I can even do the bendy thing Azusa does in her solo. Feels great.
>> No.39788  
I pretty much only play classical piano, but I want to try out ragtime. But the depression of trying out something new and being terrible at it is 。゚(゚´Д`゚)゚。
>> No.39789  
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I know that feeling. But it gets better! And think of the pride you can feel, knowing that you have learnt something completely different!
>> No.39794  
It shouldn't be terribly difficult at all.

I only had 3 years of piano instruction (the last lesson over a decade ago), but Joplin's classic Maple Leaf Rag and The Entertainer were fairly easy to learn on my own (though the former is certainly quite tiresome to play repeatedly).

Anyway, ragtime music is really fun to play; just try it and don't be intimidated by something different.
>> No.39798  
3 years of instruction huh? I have about a year on and off of self taught, so yeaaaaah. But thanks for the encouragement!
>> No.39828  
An embellishment is basically "I am playing a phrase in scale/key X but am going to introduce a note from scale/key Y". A resolution is the end of your phrase - phrasing is something you should worry about if you get serious but probably not yet. The major and minor pentatonic scales are both blues staples, so they can be mixed.

For what it's worth, many styles of the blues are the polar opposite of flashy. Very bare, stripped down and simple with complete focus on feeling.

And really, not that I'm an expert, but I've certainly heard more jazz and blues guitarists say they learned the ropes by playing along to old classic records than most other musicians. Here's an album that most people can agree is pretty good from a player that most people can agree is great, Blues Singer by Buddy Guy. It was fairly recently produced, but its focus is very traditional.

>> No.39831  
I'm taking a piano class, it is pretty fun.
>> No.39949  
I have been playing around with some chordal stuff on the bass, and trying to work through a couple of jazz standards.

It's a pretty different experience to playing chords on a 6-string guitar or piano: due to the physical limitations of the instrument, as well as the fact that chords in the really low registers just sound well, bad, you have to be really selective about the way in which you choose to voice chords. It's great fun though, I love the bass guitar
>> No.39964  
As a child I wanted to be a pianist.
Never did learn to play, though. Wouldn't even know where to start.
>> No.39966  
Begin at the beginning.

It's probably most important to learn where middle C on the piano is at first, then learn how to read music notation for piano (treble and bass clef, key and time signatures, note values, etc.) From there it's really just a matter of practice, practice, practice: read notes, play notes and coordinate both hands to play together separately.
>> No.39972  
I'm really not sure if I want to, I'm afraid I'll spend a whole lot of money then not have the motivation to follow through.
But for researching's sake, what kind of equipment would you recommend?
>> No.39977  
I have to admit, I don't know much. In general I'd recommend a digital piano over upright--they should be cheaper. Maybe see if you can find one used. Also, make sure it has 88 keys (which is standard--cheapo keyboards often have something like 62 keys) and the keys are weighted, so that they feel similar to a "real" piano.

Unfortunately, I'm clueless about good models, good brands (I do think that Roland is nice, though currently I play on a Casio), or price range. I'd imagine it should be possible to find an okay digital piano somewhere in the $300~$400 range, but that estimate might be unrealistically low. Or even high, dunno. Sorry that I can't be of much help.
>> No.39978  

If you want to get an intro to keys on the cheap, you can pick up a MIDI keyboard for 40-50USD on ebay. You can then plug that into your computer and use a free or pirated virtual instrument.

Obviously they're not full-sized, nor do they have weighted keys, but it's not an intimidating investment that way.
>> No.40033  
Been playing guitar for about 5 years now. Played in a couple of bands, but never anything big.
>> No.40136  
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I just ordered an acoustic guitar! I can't wait to learn a new style of playing!
>> No.40138  
>>40136 Tom Dooley style?
>> No.40188  
Where do I start if I want to learn music theory? Any recommended books or whatever?
>> No.40233  
Saturday night I jammed with a pal, me on the electric guitar (unplugged) and him on the ukulele. We both kinda sucked, but it was really fun croning away and playing together. We must do it soon again.
>> No.40244  
I got the acoustic guitar a few days ago. Man, my fingers hurt from playing, but it's a lot of fun.
>> No.41726  
Are there any good, well rounded ways of learning keyboard/piano? I've been teaching myself bits and pieces with reasonable success but I feel like I'd benefit from having a more complete knowledge. I can't afford lessons/don't want to have lessons. A book or series of tutorial videos or something would be nice.
>> No.41727  

He's a bit of a goofy guy, but I've heard good things about his videos. Never bothered with them myself however.

>> No.41728  
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You would really profit from knowing certain aspects of music theory, but some is completely useless. I learned the hard way, from copying others and sometimes figuring out myself. Learn a couple of blues scales and play those, and you'll soon be a maestro! Improvising on a piano is easy!

If you don't mind memorizing songs, try watching some Synthesia videos. No, I'm not joking. I started out by watching people's hands, so this should be easy in comparison.

The links >>41727 posted look pretty legit, even if the theory site looked a little daunting, as does most music theory.
>> No.41729  
Yeah, pretty much this. Of course, that's mostly if all you care about is the sound, and playing just to play. If you want to be a perfectionist, you need to incest a lot of time into both theory and German-style practicing.
>> No.41735  
>you need to incest a lot of time into both theory and German-style practicing.
Don't make it sound more exciting than it is.
>> No.41794  
I'm still working on the guitar. Every day my playing gets a little more convincing. One of these days I'll be a rock star. One of these days ;_;
>> No.41807  

Keep at it! Suddenly, uou'll find yourself playing things you would never have thought about trying to play some time ago. That's the greatest feeling music can bring.
>> No.41939  

I've been learning music theory and while it has helped me understand music better it hasn't really helped my playing skills. Theory I'm not bad at, it's the actual practice of playing stuff; but beyond playing chords and picking random songs to learn I'm not sure what else I can do to get better. Same applies to guitar really.
>> No.41954  
I've just been doing that, too; can't think of other ways. There's always improv, which will skyrocket you, but that's not for me.
>> No.41963  
I've been playing the flute for about half a year... I was playing clarinet for about a year, but I didn't really like it, so I switched to flute. I don't have alot of confidence because I was in my old school's band, which was really tiny (about twenty people) and I was the only flute. If I messed up, everyone could hear, so I always played softly and was really nervous. This year, I'm going to be playing in a big band and there are probably going to be lots of more flutes (I don't know for sure yet >.<) so I'm hoping that I'll be able to boost my confidence. Does anyone have any advice for helping me get more confidence in my playing?
>> No.41964  
Play some pieces for your friends.
>> No.41967  
The biggest thing to learn is to keep playing when you make mistakes. I had the hardest time with this, whenever I made a single mistake I would stop playing completely. Once you can learn how to plow through them, it's all good
>> No.41969  
This is great advice. They'll probably be rather impressed by it, which in turn will give you a confidence boost. Playing for an audience is tough, but it makes it so much easier to play later!
>> No.41978  
If you play softly because you're afraid of making mistakes now, you aren't gonna be any better in a bigger band/orchestra. Stop playing softly. Practice more so you don't mess up as much, and when you do mess up, just plow through it like another anon has mentioned.
This is coming from a decade of experience playing various musical instruments.
>> No.41979  
you aren't gonna be any better in a bigger group, because it will be easier to "hide" your mistakes (you're sorely mistaken if you think other people will not notice you messing up and playing softly (poorly)).
>> No.42312  
Hey guys I'm a guitarist who's been getting more into the theory side of things lately. I have a question concerning dissonances: what is the difference between a "prepared dissonance" and an "unprepared dissonance?" I keep coming across these terms but I'm not entirely sure what they mean. Any help would be greatly appreciated! ^_^
>> No.42490  
I've been playing piano for about 3 years now, however, I would love to learn how to play the violin.
>> No.43739  
I'm kicking this thread in the head. Wake up.

I play the piano. I'm not great, but I'm just getting back into practice and throwing together some Mozart and Chopin and Satie and, of course, ZUN. I've been working on learning a few Touhou piano arrangements including Lunatic Princess, Love-colored Master Spark and Septette for the Dead Princess.

Is anyone else actively playing Touhou music right now? Any thoughts or ideas about it? I'm trying to fix up some parts of the arrangements I've found that I don't like very much, but I'm not a good arranger and I've never tried composing.
>> No.43741  
>>Lunatic Princess, Septette for the Dead Princess

Sounds like you're doing pretty well there.

I used to play some Touhou songs, but I just stopped for some reason. Must get back into that.
>> No.43799  
I'm making slow progress. Lunatic Princess is going to take a while, but I've got Septette down. I just don't like its arrangement very much.

I want to try Plain Asia, but that song is fucking crazy.
>> No.43825  
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How important are weighted keys when buying an electric piano? I've been focusing on an M-audio Keystation (~$200) as a bare minimum, since it's the cheapest MIDI controller I can find with semi-weighted keys. I've done some research, though, and a lot of people say that fully weighted or hammer action keys are best for learning on. Keyboards with hammer action cost between $400-$500 at the very least however, which is more than I'm ordinarily willing to commit. Is it worth the extra few hundred dollars for a better keyboard just to learn?
>> No.43826  
If you ever want to use a real piano, you want a keyboard with weighted keys.
>> No.43853  
End of discussion. It's worth it too, if you're serious.
Also, better off getting a proper keyboard than a MIDI controller if you're buying it to actually play.
>> No.44196  
I third this recommendation. Even weighted keyboards don't feel quite right to me (they're a lot stickier-feeling than a piano's keys) but a weighted keyboard is in the hundreds of dollars and a proper 88-key piano is in the thousands.

Also, for anyone looking out for Touhou piano arrangements, http://www.youtube.com/user/kkcwkoh?feature=watch is a great link to have if you don't. There are plenty of transcriptions linked too.

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