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740551 No.8240  
Guys, I fucking love trams, and I'm thinking about becoming a tram driver. Bad idea?
>> No.8764  
I don't think it's a bad idea at all. Someone has to do it. It would really be better if the person doing it derived some form of pleasure from the job, you know?
>> No.56588  
you'll probably hate trams after a year or two
>> No.56609  
Public transportation is the first industry to go fully automatic once they figure out self-driving cars. There will be mass unemployment when that hits the market.
But if you can keep other venues of employment open, go for it.
>> No.56611  
I'm actually kind of dubious of this. As someone who uses public transport/biking as basically my only means of transport, I've heard many a conversation from public servants about the plights of public transport workers, and a lot of them don't even pertain to transport itself. Public servants aren't just regular workers, they're authority figures, glorified babysitters, really. And a lot of the folks who use public transport, I assure you, can get really infantile. I don't know what precisely the preponderance of that is, but I suspect that what automated transport would entail is far more that just a paradigm shift in economic terms.
>> No.56614  
Aren't modern airplanes basically fully automatic, and haven't they been like that for ages? We still have pilots who usually do very little, just in case shit goes wrong so we don't suddenly have tons of people dying because the technology cannot sufficiently adapt to unexpected circumstances.
>> No.56618  
There are already cars that you can drive yourself and yet poor people like >>56611 still use public transit. So there will probably still be the same number of buses, and as >>56614 points out there will be a human operator on board for legal reasons.
At a certain point the AI driver becomes statistically safer than the human driver and that person gets phased out, but somehow I doubt driver salaries are a significant cost compared to the overall operations budget for a bus service, so that would not be an instant adoption either and these people would have time to retrain for other careers. Similar to airline pilots, really, autopilot is afaik already good enough but they're an insignificant cost to retain and it would be more expensive to lobby governments to allow their removal.
Human drivers would still exist as a luxury or tourist service, the way horses are still around today.
>> No.56620  
>but somehow I doubt driver salaries are a significant cost compared to the overall operations budget for a bus service
Are you sure, at least for smaller public transport like buses? People are pretty expensive, and a bus doesn't carry all that many passengers. I'd assume the driver costs more than the fuel and the bus maintenance combined.

Also, public transit isn't only for poor people. I heard the US's public transit system is horrible, but some places have pretty good public transit, and as public transit takes you to your destination without any effort of your own (meaning you can do other stuff in that time, like browse the internet or play video games; stuff you can't do while driving a car) it may be a more pleasant alternative if it takes you close enough to your destination and it isn't too busy (in other words, if the public transit system is decent).
>> No.56621  
Bus drivers can't be making much more than minimum wage. It's like the ultimate unskilled labor job, even flipping burgers takes more expertise (since you have to drive to McDonalds first AND flip the burger).
I assume sanitation is the most expensive part of running a bus.
>> No.56623  
I looked it up, and it looks like US bus drivers do indeed get paid complete shit (median $20,662 a year according to http://www1.salary.com/Bus-Driver-salary.html ). In my country they get paid a lot better (median EUR 2275 a month before taxes (https://loonwijzer.nl/home/salaris/salarischeck?job-id=8331010000000#/); about EUR 1850 a month after taxes (~$2190 a month); they also get an additional 8% of their yearly salary in May (legally required extra pay to cover vacation costs). I guess underpaying your drivers is a good first step to a shitty public transit system.

Even so, from a company costs perspective the difference between $20k a year or $30k a year isn't that big; the $20k is still a huge expense. If you could save $20k a year per concurrently active bus (as each one needs a separate driver) by replacing the drivers with computers, I'm sure that becomes interesting pretty quickly.

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